Greetings crew.....

I've got an odd issue happening with my small stream rod......it's an 8'4" 3wt on which I have a Rio Selective Trout DT line. \

The line is, for the most part, wonderful. In fact, it's about the most supple line I've ever used. It casts *beautifully*. But....

It seem to have problems with it wrapping around the rod tip rather frequently. The more it happens, the more apparent it became that it was twisting, as sometimes it would coil around the rod to like a python.

So I check the Rio site, find a common sense trick for unwinding the line, and all is good. For a while. The problem returns fairly quickly.

Oddly, I don't have this issue with my SA and AirFlo lines. While I find all three manufacturers to be doing comparable work and dig them all, the Rio seems to offer higher highs and lower lows.

Anyone else find that their Rio lines twist a bit more than others? Let me tell you, it really, really blows when you get your twisted up line tangled into a branch you can't reach........I thought I was going to have to retrieve my chainsaw to get my line back this evening.......

Hi,
I've used quite a few longcasts windcutters and mainstreams in the past, and had the twisting problem one time, maybe my fauld by putting it on the reel the wrong way, maybe not, I brought it back to the shop and swapped it for a good one
I don't believe the Rio's have more twisting problems than others..

Interesting you should post this "problem."

now i'm not saying this is a PROBLEM, yet. let me explain. i just assembled a Sig V 8'-4" 3/4 weight and have been test casting it on lawn with a rio selective trout WF4F. this rod is casting like a dream. others have cast it too. they really liked the rod. and they really liked the line (as i do), which has yet really to be fished on water. comments have been the line isn't too subtle like others; one person described it as stiff. THEY didn't have any problems that i'm aware of with the line wrapping itself around the tip, but <<i>> have.

granted, i've only been flyfishing 2 years, and the season hasn't started yet and my casting isn't the best, but on occasion, while testing, i have had the line wrap wround the tip a few times.

there are too many factors which could be attributed to this wrapping in my situation. but it will be interesting to note if others have this problem. could it be casting style?

eric
fresno, ca.

Hi,
I call it a problem because I've had it a couple of times, with other manufacturers as well, also does most of my ff friends. you can find out by this methode.
if you take some slack line hanging down between your reel and first stripping guide, and it starts to twist alot. although what you discribed in your first post also sounds like it..

Hi all,
Just an idea, if the line has a mono or fairly stiff core, try stretching it prior to use. ( I know that's a pain, but it works) The Cortland 555 series was like that. I had to stretch the clear floater before it would work well.
Usually giving it a good stretch removes any memory and should take any twisting or kinks out.
Dewey

Hello All, Legonier- All fly lines get twist to some extent from casting and fighting fish. An easy way to determine the extent of twist in a fly line is to strip about 3 or 4 feet of line from the reel. From the striping guide and reel place the line next to itself. If the line wraps around itself, "like a yo-yo string after heavy use", the line has twist.
Twist cannot be stretched out of a line the line must be un-twisted. If the twist returns quickly, not enough twists have been removed. You'll be able to tell enough twist has been removed when you place the line together again and it doesn't wrap on itself.
Here's link to a removing line twist bit we've put together. The video button at the top has a very good demonstration.
http://www.rioproducts.com/pages/coiltwist.asp
If this remedy doesn't work, please send the line back to me for and inspection and a replacement.
Let me know the result!

Zack

RIO Products attn: Zack Dalton
5050 S. Yellowstone Hwy.
Idaho Falls, ID 83402

I have to give Kudos to Zack. I was using a RIO full sinker for stripping streamers and my line basically peeled like a banana. Zack had a new line shipped to me before my next outing 4 days later.

Thanks RIO, good stuff!!!

Now I have to email Zack for another favor!!!

Matt Mates.....

Just wondering... did this line possibly make you change the way you cast?
It could be you are casting in ovals which may induce twist with each cast.
Again, just wondering.

Hmmm,
I found out that the SA floating lines last at least twice as long as the RIO ones (windcutters, longcasts) each line lasted me less than a season of fishing, they get cracks in the coating pretty fast, and dirt gets in. no more RIO floaters for me unless they took care of it..did they?

Hi GRN,
Those lines might be of a newer generation? I must say though that I like the RIO sinkers and Aqualux very much..

Hey gang,

In the interest of being somewhat objective, I replaced the Rio with a 444peach on my rod and damned if it didn't do that same thing as the Rio. So it's not the line. More than likey it's me and the way I fish/cast the rod. Just odd that I don't experience it with my other rods and lines the way I do with this little 3wt. Zach, I appreciate your willingness to help a customer in need but this one looks like it's all me.

And for the record, I do enjoy the Rio line very very much. I've cast a few other Rio lines and they seem to perform very well.

I've used Rio lines and leaders for years, and have never had a pronlem with line twist that I didb't create. Jack is most likely correct in that the shape of your stroke is probably putting a llittle twist in it on every oval shaped cast. Lots of false casting will also cause this problem.
Every time you reel the line back onto the reel, let it slide, with SOME pressure, between your fingers as the line is loaded back onto the reel. This will usually un-twist the line for you.

Streamer