Okay... So i watched a beginner video that made suggestions to 7,000 different fly lines. I'm new, kind of frustrated, but determined to learn. Would someone who knows about fly line please give me a couple of suggestions?
I'm set on setting up my Okuma Vashon 5/6 with 5wt line. But which line? This will be mostly a trout pole. browns, rainbows, and brooks. all under 20"s. The pole isn't purchased yet... but will be either a Scott G2 8'8 5wt or a TFO Finesse 5wt 8'9 or a sage Zaxis 6wt 9'.
WF or DT? Half a weight heavy? whats the best for the best price? and where do i find a smokin' deal on it?
Thanks, Mike

ps... any extra opinions on the rod would be useful. They're all in the $200 price range for me. I can't find any better deals than $180 on the finesse or else I'd have that one already. The g2 and zaxis are on an auction website so we'll see how that goes.

You don't listen dude. I posted a shootout in your other thread. Di you see how the Albright A5 performed against the other high dollar rods? You can buy that rod for $90 with warranty! At the distance you'll be fishing. It will cast as good as any rod you can buy at any price.

I own a 6wt Z Axis. You don't want that rod for brookies. Trust me. The G2 is a nice med action rod, but you'll struggle in the wind with it. Buy the freaking A5 rod.

I would buy a WF line over a DT. For the first 40 feet, they are the same anyway, since the running line doesn't start on most weight forward lines until about 45 feet from the tip. Most people can't roll cast more than about 30 feet anyway. The weight forward will allow you to cast further that the DT, since on the same rod, you will be carry a lot more weight in the air when you can 50 or 60 feet.

On brand of line, I have them all, and SA, Rio, Airflo, Cortland are all good. The SA GPX and Rio Grand are a half weight heavy, and will load the rod a little quicker on shorter casts (you will catch most of your fish within 30 feet). If you end up buying the Sage Z-Axis, I would definitely vote for the GPX. On the G2 or the Finesse, you won't need it as much.

I buy almost all my fly fishing stuff on eBay, and you can get most $60 lines in the $40 or less range. Also, try Flyshopcloseouts.com, they have some great deals from time to time. Good Luck!!

Why do you keep calling Joni a guy?

I am guessing from past posts, he is one of the GIRLS.

No brain washing here. I have used (key word...USED) DT and I don't like it. It is a thicker running line which means more resistance in the guides (specially with smaller guides) Which means more powering.
FF is not a cheap sport, so I could care less about flipping the line over, besides, SHARKSKIN will last longer than both ends of a DT, PLUS you have the benefit of casting farther if needed and a thinner running line.

So, you have now shown you are ignorant, but also stupid.

You should have quoted him. It sounds like you made the post to me.

Sorry


I figured the two spaces and the BRAINWASHING intro kinda said it all, but it wasn't anything you said Pete.

Boy, I smell lawsuits all over you.

Didn't say I COULDN'T cast DT just said I don't like it , but you have kinda just summed up who you are.

Fishordie... you need to whittle down your variables a bit, and then keep an open mind that there may not be 'one line'.

For starters, the G2 and Z rods are apples and oranges. If you owned both rods, even in the same weight and length, you would find over time you would probably use them for entirely different situations/environments. And even if you did fish them in similar situations, you would grow to prefer different lines on them given the opportunity to actually try many without going broke.

I have the good fortune of getting rods, reels and lines from several manufacturers for little or no cash out of hand, so I mix it up a lot and test drive a lot of different combinations on everything from spring creeks to saltwater. In my professional opinion, anyone who makes a blanket suggestion (without taking your skills, rods and environs into consideration) to buy the cheapest DT you can find because there is no difference in lines or manufacturers is suffering from an acute, and deep rectal cranial dysfunction.

There is also the human variable... personal preferences that are driven by the specific skills we develop and how we choose to approach executing fly presentation in different situations.

I'll run down a quick list of my main stable of rods and lines and what might be the deciding line choice variable as an example of what I prefer for the situations I fish most with those rods. Keep in mind that some of my stronger casting skills are in spey (even with one handers) and roll casting forms because I frequent waters that offer little to no open space behind, or even above me to utilize when moving and redirecting my line across or up stream.

5' 2wt Diamondglass - Airflow Delta Taper

363-3 TXL (med action) - Sage Quiet DT or Wulff TT... depends on my mood.

376-3 SP (med action) - Wulff TT, Airflow Delta Taper , SA Mastery Trout or Rio Selective Trout DT... depends on range.

390-4 Z-Axis (med/fast - fast action) - for moderate range, Wulff TT or Rio Windcutter depends on wind... for quiet long distance presentations the TT can't be beat.

Sage 476-4 RPL (med/fast action) - Rio Grand for distance, SA Mastery Trout or Rio Selective Trout DT for closer work, Rio Nymph for tandem wet fly rigs.

Sage 480-4 ZXL (med - med/fast action) - either Wulff TT or SA Mastery Trout or Rio Selective Trout DT, DT is a bit better in the wind.

8'6" 4wt BIIx (med/fast - fast action) - Airflow Tactical Ridge or TT on lakes and ponds, Wulff TT or SA Mastery Trout or Rio Selective Trout DT for rivers and streams, Wulff TT always wins in roll casting only environments.

Sage 490 SP (med - med/fast action) - DT's all the way.

Sage 586-4 SLT (med/fast action) - I have yet to find anything I like better than the Wulff TT on this rod, for just about anything except wind, in which case I fish the next rod on the list. It has also seen some Rio Nymph for heavier tandem fly rigs.

9' 5wt Winston Delaware Special (tweaked LT3 Taper) - Airflow Tactical Ridge for still water work, Wulff TT for river/stream work... Rio Windcutter when I have to. My friend who designed this taper for Winston won't fish it with anything but Windcutter, where as I only resort to it when I have to as needed for wind because I think it overloads the rod too much at moderate + ranges... a good example of those human variables...

Sage 590-4 RPL (med/fast action) - Rio Grand for what limited applications (mostly long line on still water) I have for this rod these days... I used to mix lines on this rod a lot as it changed it's personality quite a bit... was the rod I came to appreciate just how much of a difference changing lines made.

Sage 596-4 Z-Axis (med/fast - fast action) - this is another rod that just sings with the Wulff TT in many situations, Rio Nymph for heavier tandem fly rigs, Airflow Tactical Ridge for distance.

Sage 686 RPL (med/fast - fast action) - Rio Accelerator for long distance dry fly, but I primarily use this rod for streamers these days, a variety of sinking tip and intermediate full sink lines.

Sage 690-4 SLT (med/fast action) - I like several lines for dry and nymph drifting on this rod... currently have Airflow Tactical Ridge, Rio Windcutter. It also handles heavy sink tips for streamers very well.

Sage 697-4 TCR (Wicked Fast action) - Airflow Tactical Ridge or Rio Windcutter for dry/nymph depending on wind... Rio DC Deep sink type VII for dredging, 7wt Rio or Sage Bass Taper for chuck and duck with BIG bass flies.

Sage 790 SP (med/fast action) - Rio Accelerator for long distance dry fly, and anything from TT to DT to a real long belly WF for rivers.

Spey rods - Wulff TT and Rio Windcutter... depends on wind.

Bamboo rods - anything but WF works for me.


So... is it complicated? Only if you make it so. If you are in the earlier development of your casting skills, and you were buying a rod in our shop, I would suggest the following:

If you like the G2, look at DT's and TT... TT is a better roll caster. DO NOT over-line a med action rod. If you like the Z, than I would probably go towards Windcutter (slightly heavy) or TT, again, depending on where you were going to fish.

That's my $.02, YMMV. Good luck, have fun

TL's~

Cause he's a dumb ass... simple enough, eh?

Fishordietrying,
I'll keep this short and sweet. Go to a fly shop and cast a few rods. The one that feels best to you and fits your budget is the one that you should buy.

AB

Very nice list C&R.

I am still a fan of WF. I do have both and in the same weight and line. To set them up and cast side by side, the WF is more versatile to me.
I can roll cast 60 with no problems at all. But I do fish a big river (SNAKE)

For my small creeks I have tried both, but still like the WF.

I do fish the following rods

Lamiglass, MeFarland Glass and Plastic, Fenwick glass, Steffen Glass (nice rod), Orvis Bamboo, Orvis Plastic, Winston, Sage, Scott, TFO.


To break it down, the 5'3" glass loves the TT, the 7' 4 weight do well with WF and DT Sylk, but Orvis SUPERFINE WF is awesome along with AIRFLOW Ridgeline.
On my LL 2 wt The Superfine. On my TL 4 weight ST II WF.
On my JWF, LT, SLT, TFO, FAR and FINE the ST II, Ridgeline, Sharkskin GPX, I also have the Accelerator and the Gold but they are not my favorite. and of course the Windcutter II. All weight forward except I also have the ST II in DT These are all 5 weights

Six weights from T3, Zero, Helios, BIIx, plus glass....Windcutter II and Sharkskin.


I do agree, to try them out before you buy. For anyone to tell you might not be the same for you.
You have heard some of the pros and cons which will also help.

I respect C&R and take his advice seriously. But I also have my own style, as you will too.


Okay, I will head back to the kitchen now riiiiggghht.

What's for lunch?

AW COME ON!

Go cook me a meat pie? I'll wager you like sausage don't you fucknuts? Like it in the mouth and rear. You ever been married? I don't know what dumb bitch would hook up with a looser like you. #1 you're from Canada, that's 3
strikes against YOU!
You bring up the gays and bash them. Kind of like that movie American Rose. We know what happens in the end to the gay basher- when he comes out of the closet.
We know you don't have a life. You're one of those little guys with a big mouth. Play on the CB radio and be a tough guy and talk like a trucker.
PISS OFF JAKE-
No one on this site has seen you post anything worth posting(one post maybe). It's all bullshit. Just like you- walking talking pile of steaming &*%*.
Now you want to dribble again on this post "the more I learn...the Dumber I feel? You ought to feel like Canada's biggest ass (and there is a lot of asses up here) I just read your dumb ass post about zippered waders and the float tube (and you finally post something about fishing) and don't get the zipper and button correct. I'll bet if you had balls they'd be up to your throat, but as we all have decerned, you lack testicals. Too bad you didn't go down with the ship captain. Would have save a lot of embarressment for Canada.
Now it's time for you to go to your room without any Fruit Loops. You can't play on the computer anymore because it's time for your medication.

PISS OFF JAKE

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Fake Jokerty-
Piss Off!
(did I spell that right?)

Fogerty -

First, I have been fly fishing for over 45 years. I'm not a decent caster, I'm a very good caster. I own several, and have cast (by the way, it's not "casted", learn some grammar) plenty of DT lines, and even you can cast a WF further than a DT. MOST PEOPLE (not the experts) can't roll cast over 30 feet. Most can't roll cast at all. That's a true statement.

You obviously get off by trying to intimidate people on this forum. I'm sure it's a surprise to you, but this forum is to exchange ideas about fly fishing, not provide you with a forum to vent.

The original post was from a beginner who was asking for help. Most of us were trying to give him the benefit of our experience.

You aren't providing any benefit to anyone but your own little ego.

How the hell old are you?? Either grow up or quit posting on this board.

Come of Fake, like anyone with an IQ higher than a toaster, would listen and take advise from a dickhead like you.
Piss Off Jokerty

Fake, just because you have to use spell check, doesn't make you smart or a professor- unless you're considered a professor of bullshit-
Professor Fake Jokerty- Bullshit 101.
That has a nice ring to it doesn't it dickhead.

Hey Fake, you had your Good Morning and Have a Nice Day greeting yet dipshit?
I doubt it, so I won't spoil it.

XXXOOOXXX